Ланет: congestions

[Bohic 0]

Здравствуйте,

 

Извините меня но я буду писать на англйиском языке

 

I have an Internet access from lanet.ua, for the past month I've been monitoring an almost constant congestion of pretty much all links that Lanet has with the outside world. During peak hours this even result in a huge increase of RTT and packet loss in transit.

 

I wanted to post the following on https://rada.lanet.ua/but the forum is moderated and I doubt that they allow this for publishing, therefore I'm posting it here.

 

 

Hi,

I'm getting terrible performances with Lanet's network. International bandwidth seems to be congested almost 24/7. Performances are very far from the supposed 100Mbit/s tx/rx.

$ ping proof.ovh.net
PING proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106): icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=549 ms
64 bytes from proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106): icmp_seq=2 ttl=60 time=548 ms
64 bytes from proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106): icmp_seq=3 ttl=60 time=547 ms
64 bytes from proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106): icmp_seq=4 ttl=60 time=539 ms

$ wget -O /dev/null http://ipv4.rbx.proof.ovh.net/files/10Gio.dat-4
/dev/null             0%[                    ] 159.53K  18.0KB/s    eta 6d 18h

$ mtr 188.165.12.106
 1. 10.0.255.255                      0.0%     5    2.2   0.8   0.3   2.2   0.7
 2. ???
 3. be10-1105.rbx-g1-a9.fr.eu        25.0%     5  555.8 558.2 554.4 564.4   5.4
 4. po5.rbx-s4-6k.fr.eu               0.0%     4  614.7 607.0 590.2 614.7  11.4
 5. proof.ovh.net                     0.0%     4  547.9 555.7 547.9 566.7   8.0

It's not much better with other destinations:

$ wget -O /dev/null http://1-ipv4.testdebit.info/fichiers/5000Mo.dat-4
/dev/null             0%[                    ]   5.95M   493KB/s    eta 2h 42m

$ wget -O /dev/null http://ping.online.net/5000Mo.dat-4
/dev/null             0%[                    ]   2.86M   137KB/s    eta 5h 0m

$ wget -O /dev/null http://198.167.223.30/test.img-4
/dev/null             0%[                    ]   1.81M   166KB/s    eta 50m 23s

 

I find it disturbing that I cannot find many discussion about this. It's also obvious that this does not affect only a few users but that it's rather general. A simple ping from a remote location to 194.60.69.115 (www.lanet.ua) shows that RTTs are very unstable throughout the day. At around 10 p. m. local the RTT increase significantly and packets are dropping on a simple icmp ping.

 

I suspect lanet.ua to voluntarily maintain congested links to avoid paying bandwidth.

 

Anyone else reported this?

Відредаговано 2016-09-21 23:04:18 Bohic

[oles 42]

1 Mbit/s in Frankfurt from Tier1єs like Level3 or Telia cost near 0.6-0.7 euro Per mbit! Most cheapest traffic is from IXes, but 10GE port at De-CIX cost 1900 euro + two crosing 100 euro each -> minimum 0.23 euro per Mbit (in case of full port load !) If you need 100M of global connectivity you have to pay near 50-60 euro minimum, If you pay 100 gryvnas for 100Mbit (0.03 euro = 10 times cheaper comparing to most cheapest traffic in europe from IX) what you expect to get ?

[Bohic 0]

1 Mbit/s in Frankfurt from Tier1єs like Level3 or Telia cost near 0.6-0.7 euro Per mbit! Most cheapest traffic is from IXes, but 10GE port at De-CIX cost 1900 euro + two crosing 100 euro each -> minimum 0.23 euro per Mbit (in case of full port load !) If you need 100M of global connectivity you have to pay near 50-60 euro minimum, If you pay 100 gryvnas for 100Mbit (0.03 euro = 10 times cheaper comparing to most cheapest traffic in europe from IX) what you expect to get ?

 

I know very well that they are doing this on purpose because they cannot increase pricing and I have nothing against that.

 

The problem is that they are pretending to provide that and at the moment the congestions are so bad that I can barely keep alive an ssh session, at this point I think it's quite abusive and Lanet should not be advertising such thing.

 

They could limit the international bandwidth to a few Mbit/s I would not mind as long as they don't do marketing scam and keep the channels unjammed.

 

Also I'm not against paying a bit more for quality, unfortunately it seems that the only other provider that's available in my area is Kyivstar and I need an Internet access, not NATed filtered crap.

[khatgit 22]

What do you expect by posting it here? With your problem you need to contact the ISP support. Use form of online support through https://my.lanet.ua/login.php or use e-mail support@lanet.ua. Аnd results post here.

Відредаговано 2016-09-22 08:48:53 khatgit

[wantmore 30]

Ни хао!

Хочу домой гарантированный канал. Покупать я его, конечно, не буду. 

Извините меня за китайский.

[DangerIP 31]

Напишите еще на японском, может будет больше ответов

П.С. Вы домашний клиент? Платите 4.у.е. в месяц абон плату? Есть другие провайдеры в доме?

[Bohic 0]

What do you expect by posting it here? With your problem you need to contact the ISP support. Use form of online support through https://my.lanet.ua/login.php or use e-mail support@lanet.ua. Аnd results post here.

 

That's already done.

 

Ни хао!

Хочу домой гарантированный канал. Покупать я его, конечно, не буду. 

Извините меня за китайский.

 

I'm not asking for a "guaranteed channel", I'm asking for something that's decent. As it's also stated I don't mind to pay an extra for a decent connectivity.

 

 

Напишите еще на японском, может будет больше ответов

 

I don't speak Russian well enough, are you that intolerant?

 

 

П.С. Вы домашний клиент? Платите 4.у.е. в месяц абон плату? Есть другие провайдеры в доме?

 

Yes. I had Kyivstar before which was worse than Lanet.

 

--

 

Can someone recommend an acceptable provider in Akademgorodok?

 

I'm interested in 10Mbit/s tx/rx Dual Stack IPv4+IPv6.

[wantmore 30]

Сделайте еще speedtest.net на Киев и зарубеж. 

[УмникХреновъ 667]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJyW5sN8L9U

[Melanxolik 63]

This throuble only  currently lanet peering...  you need communicate with support team to figure out in this question.

 

At my work I have similar uplinks and I have good ping to 188.165.12.106:

ping 188.165.12.106
PING 188.165.12.106 (188.165.12.106) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 188.165.12.106: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=38.8 ms
64 bytes from 188.165.12.106: icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=38.8 ms
64 bytes from 188.165.12.106: icmp_seq=3 ttl=58 time=38.7 ms
^C
--- 188.165.12.106 ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2001ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 38.736/38.812/38.868/0.234 ms

 

I used to using lanet for world traffic. Now I am using lanet  only for UA traffic, because they have very terreble traffic policy.

[ucTuHa 199]

不他妈的明白

[Matou 83]

不他妈的明白

 

Это выражение вместе с аватаром :D

А если по делу или не по делу - может потому он и самый дешевый то, наш "украинский" интернет...

[Phsm 19]

Здравствуйте,

 

Извините меня но я буду писать на англйиском языке

 

I have an Internet access from lanet.ua, for the past month I've been monitoring an almost constant congestion of pretty much all links that Lanet has with the outside world. During peak hours this even result in a huge increase of RTT and packet loss in transit.

 

I wanted to post the following on https://rada.lanet.ua/but the forum is moderated and I doubt that they allow this for publishing, therefore I'm posting it here.

 

 

Hi,

 

I'm getting terrible performances with Lanet's network. International bandwidth seems to be congested almost 24/7. Performances are very far from the supposed 100Mbit/s tx/rx.

 

$ ping proof.ovh.net

PING proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106) 56(84) bytes of data.

64 bytes from proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106): icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=549 ms

64 bytes from proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106): icmp_seq=2 ttl=60 time=548 ms

64 bytes from proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106): icmp_seq=3 ttl=60 time=547 ms

64 bytes from proof.ovh.net (188.165.12.106): icmp_seq=4 ttl=60 time=539 ms

 

$ wget -O /dev/null http://ipv4.rbx.proof.ovh.net/files/10Gio.dat-4

/dev/null             0%[                    ] 159.53K  18.0KB/s    eta 6d 18h

 

$ mtr 188.165.12.106

 1. 10.0.255.255                      0.0%     5    2.2   0.8   0.3   2.2   0.7

 2. ???

 3. be10-1105.rbx-g1-a9.fr.eu        25.0%     5  555.8 558.2 554.4 564.4   5.4

 4. po5.rbx-s4-6k.fr.eu               0.0%     4  614.7 607.0 590.2 614.7  11.4

 5. proof.ovh.net                     0.0%     4  547.9 555.7 547.9 566.7   8.0

 

It's not much better with other destinations:

 

$ wget -O /dev/null http://1-ipv4.testdebit.info/fichiers/5000Mo.dat-4

/dev/null             0%[                    ]   5.95M   493KB/s    eta 2h 42m

 

$ wget -O /dev/null http://ping.online.net/5000Mo.dat-4

/dev/null             0%[                    ]   2.86M   137KB/s    eta 5h 0m

 

$ wget -O /dev/null http://198.167.223.30/test.img-4

/dev/null             0%[                    ]   1.81M   166KB/s    eta 50m 23s

 

I find it disturbing that I cannot find many discussion about this. It's also obvious that this does not affect only a few users but that it's rather general. A simple ping from a remote location to 194.60.69.115 (www.lanet.ua) shows that RTTs are very unstable throughout the day. At around 10 p. m. local the RTT increase significantly and packets are dropping on a simple icmp ping.

 

I suspect lanet.ua to voluntarily maintain congested links to avoid paying bandwidth.

 

Anyone else reported this?

 

I doubt in Lanet having overloaded uplinks. More likely there is a congestion somewhere in backbone link between their server room and your house.  Could you please use the mtr (winmtr) program to make a traceroute report with at least 200 probes have sent? Ofc, make the test when you're experiencing that "congestion".

 

However as it has been mentioned above, you should try reaching their support.

 

I suspect lanet.ua to voluntarily maintain congested links to avoid paying bandwidth.

 

Nonsense, they'd never do this. IMHO Lanet team is the best ISP team i've ever seen.

Відредаговано 2016-09-22 18:06:09 Phsm

[Bohic 0]

不他妈的明白

 

I'm a bit surprised by the amount of stupid posts, I thought that discussions were kind of constructive on that bbs.

 

I doubt in Lanet having overloaded uplinks. More likely there is a congestion somewhere in backbone link between their server room and your house.  Could you please use the mtr (winmtr) program to make a traceroute report with at least 200 probes have sent? Ofc, make the test when you're experiencing that "congestion".

 

It's unlikely that it's just the local channel. If you icmp ping 194.60.69.121 which is the host for www.lanet.ua from a remote location you will see that even this is unstable.

 

It's 9:34 p. m. and that's what I'm getting:

 

$ ping 194.60.69.121

PING 194.60.69.121 (194.60.69.121) 56(84) bytes of data.

64 bytes from 194.60.69.121: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=77.9 ms

64 bytes from 194.60.69.121: icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=77.8 ms

64 bytes from 194.60.69.121: icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=77.4 ms

64 bytes from 194.60.69.121: icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=78.3 ms

 

 

$ mtr proof.ovh.net

 Host                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev

 1. 10.0.255.255                      0.0%   338    1.3   1.2   0.3  10.1   1.3

 2. ???

 3. be10-1105.rbx-g1-a9.fr.eu        13.1%   337  300.7 135.3  84.4 754.9 151.9

 4. po5.rbx-s4-6k.fr.eu              14.8%   337  167.7 121.1  72.8 742.9 141.2

 5. proof.ovh.net                    16.1%   337  186.6 108.2  72.9 735.7 132.3

 

Peak time is at around 10 p. m.

 

Obviously the worst is their interconnection with fiord.net (AS28917):

 

$ mtr 62.210.18.40

 Host                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev

 1. 10.0.255.255                      0.0%   203    1.5   1.1   0.3  13.7   1.1

 2. kiev-nt-b1-ae5.fiord.net          0.0%   203    0.6   0.7   0.5   7.9   0.5

 3. ams-nik-b1-ae5-vlan3832.fiord.ne  0.5%   203   41.0  41.2  38.9  78.9   5.3

 4. 62.140.243-123.fiord.ru           1.0%   202   67.4  68.3  64.3  71.2   1.1

 5. n9k1-bb1-be101.ams1.poneytelecom  1.0%   202   69.7  71.6  66.4  83.9   1.6

 6. bb1-ams1-bb2.dc3.poneytelecom.eu  0.5%   202   84.0  83.6  80.3  86.2   0.9

 7. 45x-s44-2-a9k2.dc3.poneytelecom.  1.0%   202   80.3  82.6  76.8 248.5  12.7

 8. ping.online.net                   2.0%   202   81.8  83.2  80.1  84.9   1.0

I've never been able to reach a throughout of more than 300KB/s.

 

$ wget -O /dev/null http://ping.online.net/5000Mo.dat-4

/dev/null             0%[                    ]   2.40M   204KB/s    eta 3h 57m

[John_Doe 301]

Чудак человек, есть проблемы, а он их решает не с провайдером,  а на форуме 

[Bohic 0]

Чудак человек, есть проблемы, а он их решает не с провайдером,  а на форуме 

 

I'm not expecting to resolve that issue on this forum, I'm just raising awareness and discussing it. Can you explain what's eccentric in this?

 

As mentioned several times, I'm still waiting for comment from lanet.ua. Yet nothing.

 

I've also posted on https://rada.lanet.ua/but posts are subject to moderation and so far my topic has not showed up.

[John_Doe 301]

Тем более чудак, если  ждеш что ланет тут отреагирует на твои проблемы.

Для этого есть саппорт провайдера и обсуждать это на форуме контрпродуктивно

[Sargas 52]

Iva читает форум. Так что вероятность того что топик поможет весьма велика

[Bohic 0]

Для этого есть саппорт провайдера и обсуждать это на форуме контрпродуктивно

 

Why? It just feels like you simply do not like this information/topic to be discussed publicly.

Відредаговано 2016-09-22 21:08:45 Bohic

[sanyadnepr 305]

 

 

I don't speak Russian well enough, are you that intolerant?

Yes, it's reality baby. Toleranсе - is a foreign word for us.

Учи Русский, пригодится.

 

PS: Above already answered, how much to pay so much and receive.

[Bohic 0]

Учи Русский, пригодится.

 

I'm studying Russian every day.

 

PS: Above already answered, how much to pay so much and receive.

 

Учи английский, пригодится.

Too easy...

Відредаговано 2016-09-23 01:08:45 Bohic

[v68 7]

Чего на человека набросились?

Нет чтобы что-то сказать по делу...

 

Are you using Wi-Fi router and any wireless connection?

Try to use direct cable connection to your provider.

 

And traceroute output may be more informative in troubleshooting of the problem.

 

 

 

[Bohic 0]

Hi,

 

Are you using Wi-Fi router and any wireless connection?

Try to use direct cable connection to your provider.

 

And traceroute output may be more informative in troubleshooting of the problem.

 

I'm not using any wireless device

 

There are several traceroutes in the topic's feed.

 

All the tests were down with ingress traffic. I will test out the egress a little bit later and post the results here.

[a_n_h 589]

 

 

Учи английский, пригодится.

странное заявление на русскоязычном форуме!

 

 

I'm studying Russian every day.

вот как раз возможность попрактиковаться. 

[sanyadnepr 305]

 

 

I'm studying Russian every day.

Начинай практиковаться.

 

a_n_h  "c языка снял".